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Silent Coyote · Sep 01, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Gwen is godly as a mesmer in PVE, I use her all the time now along with Olias as MM, and Dun-whats-his-name as prot monk.

upier · Sep 01, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by Jennie

........ real mature. Please, for the sake of people who like to read threads keep it to mesmers themselfs and SKILL levels instead of having a this person bash that person thread.... and BTW you are very right in my case seeing as I am a female.

Although I don't agree with the people who dislike/think mesmers are not effictive I was enjoying reading the banter back and forth until I start to see useless comments like this.

It's a reference to the boys measuring up their penises under the showers.
All for the purpose of boosting one's ego.
It's a juicy analogy that I like.

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Originally Posted by Jennie

ETA: on your last post upier: Mesmer does take more work to achieve but the reason I like it is because it is hard... the other professions were very easy.. my mesmer was crap for the longest time until I had a better skill set and ability to play her. I'm proud of her. I dont start a game and try to decide what is the easiest way to go. I love the challenge.... keeps the game interesting.

That was a personal achivement.
Keyword : "personal".
Nothing more, nothing less. And if you feel it's something you should be proud of - then by all means - BE!
But looking at it objectively - once you achieved that - you were able to play the class. I don't see why we should make a happy dance and celebrate that - we certainly don't do that for other classes!
What's the point of celebrating a player's not-sucking anymore?

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Originally Posted by gloria vander belt

Is there any point to this thread at all or are u admins and mods getting ur jolly's off on another mesmer bashing thread, if this was my forum i would delete this streaming Pile of dog crap u call a thread.

It has been proven Mesmers are elite for shutting down proffessions and with certain builds in PvP and PvE and screw the threads full of oen personall experience watch the damn movies on youtube.com, i did have a thread dedicated to this(you tube videos) but it was deleted and i was warned by a Mod if i posted it again i would be banned.

and whats even more retarded about people claiming mesmers sucking at PvE is that they can solo UnderWorld and Duo Tombs quicker then any other proffession and can put a 55hp monk or necro down quicker then any other proffession, and all u Elementalist fan's need to start ur own Ele worshipping thread, because i couldnt count how many times its been proven a Mesmer will drop an Elementalist in 10 seconds flat, even with the Best Ele build(or so claimed)....Searing Flames Ele, Lmao i seen 3 in AB get beaten by a single Mesmer, and i dont own a mesmer nore have i played one, but man have i studied each proffession countlessly, and as a warrior or Ranger or Necro or Monk or Ele i can honestly say i hate Versing a Mesmer but man i love henchie and hero mesmers.

P.S-The Mesmer best and quickest character for Pre-title "Legendary Defender Of Ascalon"

See - you're making the same mistake all over again.
Guild Wars is a team game.
The reason why the mesmer is sub-par in PvE is because there are better options for those 8 slots in a party.
That's the same reason why a 55 monk isn't the preferred choice for an 8-man party!

gloria vander belt · Sep 01, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by upier

It's a reference to the boys measuring up their penises under the showers.
All for the purpose of boosting one's ego.
It's a juicy analogy that I like.

That was a personal achivement.
Keyword : "personal".
Nothing more, nothing less. And if you feel it's something you should be proud of - then by all means - BE!
But looking at it objectively - once you achieved that - you were able to play the class. I don't see why we should make a happy dance and celebrate that - we certainly don't do that for other classes!
What's the point of celebrating a player's not-sucking anymore?

See - you're making the same mistake all over again.
Guild Wars is a team game.
The reason why the mesmer is sub-par in PvE is because there are better options for those 8 slots in a party.
That's the same reason why a 55 monk isn't the preferred choice for an 8-man party!

making the same mistake???, I dont believe u ever proved me a mistake the first time..

the only thing ur doing is seeing the mesmer how u want to see it, so u can come in with ur immature comments/responses and long written essay's that could have been done in 2 sentences or less, the fact is i can replace a Ele with a mesmer and have the mission/quest done 2.5 mins quicker, doesnt seem like much but add it all up in to a total...the fact is if u wanna bash the Mesmer and hate on it, do what every other Tom, Dick and Harry do, sit in Kamadan, Jewel of istan and bitch there like every other mesmer hating NOOB.

Not only have u failed a viable point but u have just seem to get more and more spiteful with ur responses kid!!

EITHERWAY MOD's/ADMIN's really need to delete this dog turd thread and any that are like it and delete all future threads of similarity or im a start some just like it if its tolerated, cus i know plenty of other proffession that can be replaced...

I.E why have a tank when a MM and a Pet ranger can do just the same thing with there Minion's or Pet, wanna dissagree ask any1 in Tomb's Of The Primeval Kings

Peace and learn how to use the proffession or dont comment ur hating responses, becuase either this thread goes or i go!!!

P.S i know 30 odd others who will come with me and not come back till i say its O.K

Jennie · Sep 01, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by upier

It's a reference to the boys measuring up their penises under the showers.
All for the purpose of boosting one's ego.
It's a juicy analogy that I like.

Would it be possible to use more appropriate analogies then?

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Originally Posted by upier

That was a personal achivement.
Keyword : "personal".
Nothing more, nothing less. And if you feel it's something you should be proud of - then by all means - BE!
But looking at it objectively - once you achieved that - you were able to play the class. I don't see why we should make a happy dance and celebrate that - we certainly don't do that for other classes!
What's the point of celebrating a player's not-sucking anymore?

The comment was made in refrence to your comment about how they are harder to master and the quotes taken from someone else. :S Its all in the thread and I suck with memorizing who said what lol... I'm not saying you should throw a party or anything.. simply saying as it is obvious in my opinion that some people have a hard time time and don't quite understand mesmers which results in "oh mesmers sux" idealogy. With a little work and patience when first starting with mesmer it can be done that an effective character can be created. With the right build mesmers can rock pve!

gloria vander belt · Sep 01, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by upier

See - you're making the same mistake all over again.
Guild Wars is a team game.
The reason why the mesmer is sub-par in PvE is because there are better options for those 8 slots in a party.
That's the same reason why a 55 monk isn't the preferred choice for an 8-man party!

Lmao, if Guild Wars was a team game, why can so many proffessions do so much solo work, take the assassin for example, we can not get a group if our life depended on it(well i cant) and its all due to the people who first started an Assassin when factions first came out, but theres those of us who can keep ourselves alive longer then every 1 else, Just Like Assassin's, Mesmers have gotten a bad rep from the early players, but theres those who learnt to do solo work with there Mesmer or Assassin, and if i want a team Hero's and Henchies come first and i can 100% guarantee any mission that requires 6-8 party members will be filled with 1 mesmer, why cus Mesmers are the most effective for any area with little change of the build, so u can hyphernate and do all u want Guild Wars is Not a team game, and the areas that require a team Just need henchies, hell i would enjoy this game 70% more if it werent online or required a group for some areas!!!!

gloria vander belt · Sep 01, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

P.S when i start my mesmer im getting all mesmer skills then dominating PvE and PvP i know how they work i have yet to start one tho!!!

Oh and im glad GWEN is a Mesmer maybe some of u will learn to appreciate the class a little more

Croix_Raul · Sep 01, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by Antheus

But playing holy trinity with a mesmer as decoration is indeed pointless.

Nah holy tinity with mesmer aren't just for decoration since we all know mesmer are conditional so having three makes it easier to cover more stuff as well as some max attribute team build that wouldn't work in PuG
(over stacking of same hex is pointless)

Just my 2 cent it about the group and not so much seeing them as single mesmer in holy trinity (it does have nice ring to it.)

Lyssa is made up of two so my norgu and gwen paired for this purpose and myself arm with some spammable spell with summon

Kryth · Sep 01, 2007, 06:00 PM // 18:00

I really can't believe how people think mesmers are useless in pve.

If one can't make a useful mesmer with 8 skills from a 200 + skilldex then I shall call that person N 0 0 B. Not very constructive I know

And the answer to the question about why Gwen being a mes is : Cuz she's hot?

Zorgy · Sep 01, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

"...Why did Anet make the Gwen hero a mesmer? I wanted to use her, not have her gather dust...."

I used Gwen in that mission where you need HER. I kept the build given by the AI, removed the rez sig + add an elite....
Of course I put the necessary runes & she rocks the tiny mouse

upier · Sep 01, 2007, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by gloria vander belt

making the same mistake???, I dont believe u ever proved me a mistake the first time..

the only thing ur doing is seeing the mesmer how u want to see it, so u can come in with ur immature comments/responses and long written essay's that could have been done in 2 sentences or less, the fact is i can replace a Ele with a mesmer and have the mission/quest done 2.5 mins quicker, doesnt seem like much but add it all up in to a total...the fact is if u wanna bash the Mesmer and hate on it, do what every other Tom, Dick and Harry do, sit in Kamadan, Jewel of istan and bitch there like every other mesmer hating NOOB.

Not only have u failed a viable point but u have just seem to get more and more spiteful with ur responses kid!!

EITHERWAY MOD's/ADMIN's really need to delete this dog turd thread and any that are like it and delete all future threads of similarity or im a start some just like it if its tolerated, cus i know plenty of other proffession that can be replaced...

I.E why have a tank when a MM and a Pet ranger can do just the same thing with there Minion's or Pet, wanna dissagree ask any1 in Tomb's Of The Primeval Kings

Peace and learn how to use the proffession or dont comment ur hating responses, becuase either this thread goes or i go!!!

P.S i know 30 odd others who will come with me and not come back till i say its O.K

The mistake is that you're trying to build a reputation of a class based on something as broken as solo farming. And you keep repeating that.

Ohh and allow me to introduce you to my boys:

Deleted - disliked the fact that he didn't look good under certain lighting conditions. Was created as a replacement for Ptah.

My first boy I created some 2 years ago.

My perma-pre babez! With her present for being one year old!

Ptah - my first main character on my second account. kept the looks of my first mesmer because I thought they were sweet! (You should see his closet! I still can't believe I spent ALL of his skill points to buys skills AND farmed a few more! I think I just wasted around 400k on his skills only - and then don't get me started on his armour sets nor his weaponry (to think I bought the 20/20 Rockmolder for some 80k and then watch it be turned into a copy of the normal one just a few days later!)

But they weren't. The tan was bad and the hair colour also left something to be desired.

So Apy was born! Plus I wanted a Legendary Survivor mesmer! Becoming my only character to sport FoW - because, well - if I'd ever get FoW for any of my characters it would have to be a mesmer!

My other mesmer chick. Was deleted because I needed the slots.

For the rest of the guys I sadly lack pictures:
- but there should be at least 1 that made it to ventari before meeting with the hands of doom because I did't like how he looked in the enchanter's armours! (what can I say - I was an idiot! I should have checked that in the PvP screen but instead I took him through half the game to see that he looked stupid!)
- then there was Akhmet who I just used to beat the Factions campaign because I wanted to gather all mesmer greens available - and so I needed to get my hands on all versions of the Effigy and the Wand. Gave up that idea though after getting all c1 and Factions mesmer greens - Nightfall sucked so I didn't want to spend more time there then completely necessary!
- prolly a few more - but it's not like I can remember ALL my mesmers.

And yes - I am a man. And there is no shower near!

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Originally Posted by gloria vander belt

and i dont own a mesmer nore have i played one, but man have i studied each proffession countlessly, and as a warrior or Ranger or Necro or Monk or Ele i can honestly say i hate Versing a Mesmer but man i love henchie and hero mesmers.

So keeping that in mind - are you SURE you want to keep this up?

Chicken Ftw · Sep 01, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by gloria vander belt

quotin me then editing the quote is not gonna help ur argument, oh and BTW i gives mods and admins 24hours, not every 1 is awake right now

before your edit-"oh thats cute, u have no argument so u get immature, the only thing cute is ur arrogance, and ur selflesness as a person, please do us all a favour and grow some hair on ur balls then come back and responde!!"

After your edit-"u get immature ... grow some hair on ur balls"

1) Since when is the GWG staff your personal army? You give them time to take action? Granted, if you and Coloneh keep trolling, this probably will be locked or deleted, but certainly not because you demanded it to be.

2) Alex has a point, and one that made me lol. <3

3) Err... What was the point in this latest post of yours anyway, other than trolling further?

Back on topic... Those who say the mesmer isn't usually the greatest choice for PvE are right - in some situations, it's a solid choice. Generally speaking though, PvE is mostly about DPS, shutdown isn't so much necessary. I'm fully aware that mesmers can deal decent damage - but it's not their strong suit, other classes can do it much more efficiently. Handy to have? Sometimes. Fun to play? Yup. One of the best choices for tearing through PvE? In most given scenarios, no.

Wilkon Dawes · Sep 01, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

shes a mes because her mother was althea, and she wanted to grow up to be just like her mother.

Stormlord Alex · Sep 01, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Wilkon Dawes

shes a mes because her mother was althea, and she wanted to grow up to be just like her mother.

O RLY?
Good try anyho ^_^
Nah, regardless... I quite like her as a Mesmer... She did a decent enough job of hampering Hidesplitter as some illusion spam thing

Coloneh · Sep 01, 2007, 07:35 PM // 19:35

im getting a little annoyed now. I asked a question and now im getting accused of trolling and not getting any answers to the question.

What can mesmers do in PvE that E/Me or N/Me cannot do better?

please realize that "just because you suck dosnt mean mesmers suck" is not an answer. go back to middle school.

mafia cyborg · Sep 01, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

if only there were some cool fast casting spells people would appreciate mesmers more...

upier · Sep 01, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

What can mesmers do in PvE that E/Me or N/Me cannot do better?.

6 seconds of Blackout compared to 5 on a secondary mesmer.
Then there are the MoR builds - but those are a bit questionable - because the only one that I can think of and is really good is MoR-ing Mark Of Pain (but then we have a problem because the other godly Curses - Barbs, Enfeebling Blood and Shadow Of Fear - really don't need MoR).

But because of the skill properties of Blackout (touch range) and the way PvE is built - eg. monsters that are completely unbalanced - and some idiotic ideas to boot - eg. the armour cap which single-handedly removed the freedom of movement for squishes (unless everyone is running around with PS on them) - you prolly won't see any cookies involving it anytime soon.

lyra_song · Sep 01, 2007, 08:21 PM // 20:21

The Mesmer is supposed to be good because of fast casting.

Most of the mesmer spells take a while to cast.

The problem really is that FC doesnt synch too well with its own skills. The skills do fine without FC. The interrupts in the domination, while powerful, do not warrant enough usage to dedicate a full mesmer build when you can just put on power drain and leech signet on any mesmer secondary.

However....AI is much much better at spreading interrupts around (albeit without regards to priority of certain skills to interrupt), without needing to camp specific enemies.

E-Denial was great, and its been nerfed very heavily, and that doesnt work as well in PVE anyway.

As others have pointed out, hex stacking can be done with other classes.

mafia cyborg · Sep 01, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

i have an idea for a fast castin skill that might make mesmer more desirable.

"time is my friend"
the next 2 spells you cast do not take adavantage from your fast castin attributes but inflict +15..+40 damage to foe.

cos u're takin that extra time to use a spell (even though u are high on fast castin)..... durin that time u're also able to sneak some damage in there with a sneaky hit your foe doesnt see.

i know it will be rediculed but whatever....

generik · Sep 01, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by mafia cyborg

i have an idea for a fast castin skill that might make mesmer more desirable.

"time is my friend"
the next 2 spells you cast do not take adavantage from your fast castin attributes but inflict +15..+40 damage to foe.

cos u're takin that extra time to use a spell (even though u are high on fast castin)..... durin that time u're also able to sneak some damage in there with a sneaky hit your foe doesnt see.

i know it will be rediculed but whatever....

It makes Wastrel's Worry really good!

Jennie · Sep 01, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

The advantages of having E/Me or N/Me over Mesmer is the energy bonus they have. However, that being said I counter this with a hero with br and I don't have much energy problems at all. The Bonus like others have mentioned is the FC which you do not get with Ele or Necro primary. Hence, making Mes more effective in my opinion.